NEAR COLLISION between FedEx and Southwest | Foggy Weather
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Published 2023-02-05
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All Comments (21)
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Doing that with a CAT III in force and Low Visibility didn't look smart to me. Any thoughts from real ATC here?
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I would have given the tower a number to call.
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The controllers I know are PISSED about this because this was grossly ATC’s fault. There’s no justification for launching a 737 in front of a 767 on a 3 mile final. On a good day that’s pushing it. Add weather and it’s a recipe for a disaster. If it wasn’t foggy I bet they would have shit bricks if they really knew how close they were.
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"You have our apologies, we appreciate your professionalism." Understatement of the year.
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26 years air traffic control experience, retired. This is probably the closest I have ever seen two planes on the same runway without colliding and killing everyone on board both. Worst controller judgment I’ve ever seen, never realized what was going on in the situation and never did anything to correct the situation. Thank God for the FedEx pilot, obviously this controller was not paying attention in any way.
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Props to that FedEx pilot. Was asking "are you sure we can land?" and then made the right call to not do so even after being reassured that they can.
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When Fed-Ex asked for confirmation, it seems he was the only one who knew it was too close. Spring loaded for the go-around. Smart.
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I’ve had to wait because a 172 was on 3 mile final. This is insane.
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This was way too close a call and literally seconds from a disaster. Props to FedEx for realizing what was happening.
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good thing Fedex pilot was on the ball, probably expected what was going on, yet kept calm and professional. kudos to him.
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Forget the fog, this was a CLEAR ATC F-up. Wow. No panic in anyone's voice. That was a close call.
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As a 29 year retired ATC I have but one question: WTF was the local controller thinking?
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FedEx Pilot gets the hero award here.
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Near-death experience, yet their voice might reflect someone having a cup of tea in the morning and commenting on the news. Incredible professionalism from the pilots.
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At 140 knots 3 nm out, the FedEx would take 67 seconds to land. SWA doesn’t begin his takeoff roll until 70 seconds after he has received takeoff clearance. Yikes! Hats off to a very situationally aware FedEx crew. Also, think of the wake turbulence the 737 might have encountered so close to the ground from a going-around powered-up 767 right above him. We were lucky with this one.
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The most polite near death experience ever. 5 stars
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That Fed-Ex pilot is really good. Good radio calls. Speaks well and seems like a really good pilot.
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Damm, I could not believe that this ATC gave that Southwest clearance for takeoff, knowing that FedEx was on a short 3 mile final cleared to land on the same runway. If that FedEx had a sudden tailwind factor, it could have turned into a deadly disaster. This ATC was taking a huge and very dangerous gamble in Foggy conditions. 😠😠
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While clearly ATC is at fault here, I do have to ask: why did Southwest pilots accepted departure with FedEx on 3 mile final (and closing)? Especially with FedEx clearly voicing their concern just seconds prior...
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Clearing a 737 to takeoff in CATIII with a heavy on a 3 mile final is insanity. No other way around it.
