Streaming, Politics, & Philosophy | @destiny | EP 433

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Published 2024-03-21
Dr. Jordan B. Peterson sits down in-person with Steven Bonnell II, also known as Destiny. They discuss the differences between the left and the right, force versus invitation, the feasibility and pitfalls of command economies, the dangers of ideology, and government response to worldwide crises.

Destiny, also known as Steven Bonnell II, is a prominent political commentator and content creator known for his debate skills and provocative takes on various issues. With a passion for gaming, politics, and philosophy, Destiny engages in lively discussions that often challenge the status quo.

This episode was recorded on February 3rd, 2024

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- Chapters -

(0:00) Tour info 2024
(0:40) Coming up
(1:18) Intro
(2:22) Early days of streaming, how Steven entered political commentary
(7:40) Changes in thinking: shifting to the left
(12:11) The key differences between left and right worldviews
(13:29) Intervention, distribution, gigantism, and populism
(23:42) Redistribution and command economies, can they work?
(29:32) Negative externalities, balancing free markets with incentivized behavior and their effects on the poor
(37:34) Climate and economic models: two Towers of Babel
(40:57) The timeframe of C02 models changes the outlook, so how far back should we consider?
(43:12) The green guise of compassion obscures underlying intent
(47:34) The psychology of those who utter, “There are too many people on the planet”
(49:46) Destiny’s Jenga Tower, an analogy for how people become stuck in their beliefs
(57:00) Why people fear nuclear energy
(58:30) Realities of the green energy pipe dream
(1:00:32) Is it malevolence or ignorance that drives bad ideas? Motives versus public perception
(1:03:19) Both parties wield power when they have it, so how do we mitigate it?
(1:07:37) Was WWII Germany right or left wing?
(1:09:19) Moses and the desert
(1:13:56) Living in separate realities and bridging the divide
(1:15:50) MRNA, validity of rollout and excess deaths
(1:24:34) It wasn’t just the left
(1:26:27) Weighing the fear of a crisis against the use of experimental technology
(1:30:00) Mass consensus
(1:37:38) Psychopathy and levels of malevolence
(1:43:10) Do marriage and society exist without force?
(1:47:50) Tit-for-tat, force or justice?
(1:59:11) Why Steven debates



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All Comments (21)
  • @ajbrewer1777
    This feels like a father and son debating over the dinner table after the rest of the family had enough and went to bed... and its great lol
  • @orcanimal
    Jordan told Destiny, "You have the right to your own Destiny" without a hint of irony. What a fantastic conversation.
  • @fuzzywuzzy7924
    This is how presidential debates should happen. 2 people and a camera.
  • 1:35:23 - After a peak of heated argument, Jordan makes a small non-targeted joke, and they both laugh about it for a second and then move on. Another thing illustrating how surprisingly well this conversation went
  • @Eze_Cloud
    I love a debate with zero personal attacks.
  • @jadonharper1493
    Never in my life did I think I would see this pairing, I admire the diversity of guests on this podcast.
  • @_bearbell
    Love the arguing with the teacher vibes throughout.
  • @punk6969
    One of the best debates i've seen in years, What a treat.
  • @over7532
    The subtle, unspoken, mutual apologies for getting too worked up were things of absolute beauty. I'd love to see much more between these two.
  • It’s heartening to see lots of comments about the lack of personal attacks, but in all realness it seemed that none of the core issues that came up were resolved. Both passionately wove their own arguments without diving too deep into the others. I would certainly love to see a more structured approach to coming to understanding between the two perspectives.
  • @bluejournal83
    The format for this debate/discussion is fire. Thank you thank you thank you Jordan.
  • @normanlewis2953
    Mr Vermicelli was surprisingly respectful and well tempered. Great talk.
  • @Noccyboy
    51 minutes in, things are tense, the fadeaway to the advertisement had me DYING of laughter
  • @treeknome2642
    I’m so thrilled to see a proper “left vs right” debate. A much missed act of the past. Hats off to both of you. A perfect example of what needs to again happen more in our societies and NA countries.
  • @schwarg
    Jordans suit game is outta this world
  • @ChaimS
    Wow, what a rarity! A non-moderated, true debate with plenty of yelling and passion, but not a single personal attack! And for 2 hours!
  • @bluejournal83
    I love this conversation. Music to my ears. Great debate
  • @MrSupaflyjr92
    This was a great conversation. Im typically more aligned with Petersons point of view. I have to say that Peterson uses quite a few straw man arguments when discussing with people. He incredibly knowledgeable but he doesn’t seem to like to talk about actual solutions. Destiny is like water. He may have less wisdom but he tries to focus the conversation. Peterson does do a good job interviewing his guests. But he’s been saying the exact same things for the last ten years. I’m not sure if he is capable of changing his mind. And I don’t think anyone will respond to this comment, but I would be happy for someone to disagree :)