The Complexity of Dark Determination

I am thinking now I wonder if we will ever get a Jojo story with someone who qualified as a villain since they threw away humanity but what ever happened made them realize that they need humanity back to become what they wanted.

I would like to raise a counter argument. I understand Dark Determination as an Emotion, or a state of mind. No matter your morality, codes of conduct, or alignment, you can perfectly go through the whole range. This isn't about if they are good or bad, or putting characters in the same category, this is about people who zero in on a goal, target, will so damn hard, that they choose to disregard honor codes, morals, teachings, self growth... Nothing, and I do mean Nothing, will stop them from fulfilling said goal. Or at least, that's how I see it. Joseph can get as angry as Dio Brando. Johnny can be as happy of seeing Gyro alive as Kira was when he triggered Bites the Dust. Jolyne can be as determined towards saving Ermes as Kato was to keep Jobin in the brightest of paths. That's my opinion at least. Please share your opinion

If whatever the next Jojo game will be doesn't have dark determination as an actual mechanic in it, I think I'm going to start a riot.

I like how the Anime added the Dark Determination for Jonathan, Yukako and Stray Cat 🔥🔥🔥🔥

I'm so interested to see how Araki will develop even more the dark determination in Part 9.

Metatton never disappoints

I would like to believe that Ringo, Weather & Johnny’s ‘Dark Determination’ comes from their trauma since they didn’t really grow up as a normal child would… For Kaato, she goes above and beyond for her children as a mother should, but maybe it’s something from her past that has her like that or she’s just a terrible human being with no remorse and knows what she’s doing and still does it

I like how they added Dark Determination in Jonathan for the anime!

If we ignore for a bit the simple explanation of “Araki just hadn’t come up with it at the time”, the absent of dark determination in golden wind gang paints a really effed up picture of them. They just kill people left and right without a care about their humanity, it’s probably long gone and lost

I think dark determination represents the willingness to lose your humanity to achieve your goal, but to that extent you need to have humanity left to lose. Thats why the villains cant tap in to it. I also think this means that once a person truely loses their humanity the determination fades. That fire is like the last of their humanity fighting against the abyss. That pressure, of the two forces pushing aginst each other, thats where the drive comes from. So if a person were to fully give in, move beyond redemption, a be succumb by the abyss, there would be no pressure, no drive , just emptyness.

The Jojolands hiatus really be making METAs grind harder

I thought of a stand, its ability is to convince everyone that the user is an ally, so that means that the reader also thinks that the user is an ally, top 10 anime betrayal potential

It's a shame the anime only added the dark determination in the 1st and last openings and the original part 6 scenes, because it would've been cool to see it more frecuently in other Jojo parts like in part 1, when Dio pretends to surrender to the police, showing that he's actually ready to kill or in part 5 when Giorno obtains GER. They would've been really good additions

Kaato imo is true dark determination because she’s will to do anything for her children and face all the repercussions that come with it. She gave up everything she had to fix a mistake her son made.

I think dark determination is a perfect phrase for everyone who has experienced it in Jojo. They will go as deep and far into the dark abyss they need to, to achieve their goals. Take Caato trying to protect her son, she would give up the whole world and life itself before her son. It just shows the length she would go to for that determination, it is dark, also extremely beautiful.

Hope we get Jodio with the eyes. I do agree that we probably need a better definition of the Determinated Eyes since being willing to kill to protect doesn't mean "evil" (in Jolyne and Josuke's case). It definitely gets more complicated when it comes down to the character themselves and their experiences.

Dang, didn't even notice it for weather when I first read the manga.

I genuinely think Johnny embodies the Dark Determination the best as he willing to go as far as desecrating the canonical son of god to get what he wants whenever it is activated.

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I wish the anime would have added dark determination to previous parts. They’d have to use it sparingly but I think if they do it right it could have been really cool