The World According to China with Elizabeth Economy | Uncommon Knowledge

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Published 2023-10-23
Recorded on October 12, 2023

Elizabeth Economy did her undergraduate work at Swarthmore, earned a master’s at Stanford, and holds a doctorate from the University of Michigan. She served at the Council on Foreign Relations and the World Economic Forum before coming to the Hoover Institution in 2020. Dr. Economy is the author of half a dozen books, including her most recent volume, The World According to China. She has just returned to Hoover after a two-year leave of absence in Washington, where she served as senior advisor for China to Secretary of Commerce Gina Raimondo. In this wide-ranging interview, Dr. Economy discusses China’s ambition for controlling international internet traffic and Chinese President Xi Jinping’s ambition to reclaim “Chinese centrality on the global stage.” Dr. Economy also compares the China policies of the Trump and Biden administrations and notes that both administrations—while agreeing on very little else—agree that China is a danger and must be dealt with, especially with regard to Taiwan.

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All Comments (21)
  • @smakwt
    She claimed Google would not hand over to the American government information the company has about its users. She should give Snowden a call.
  • @bbyl1485
    China China China. Why can't US focus on enpower itself.
  • @tonyyin6955
    The US should abandon its mentality of exceptinesm and live with China with mutual repect and co-existence just as China did in its past glorious era over many centuries before the westerm powers dominated the world for about 200 years. The humanity needs more cooperation instead of confrontation or conflict since there is only one earth to live on and it is big enough for all poeple to live in peace.
  • There's a difference between the USA seeing China as a threat, and Chine threatening the USA. If you own a business, and someone comes along to compete with you, and it turns out they are better at business than you, they are, perforce, a threat. That doesn't mean they are threatening you, it just means they are carrying on their business, and doing it better that you. That is the situation of China and the USA. China has taken over a large part of the world's manufacturing simply because they do it better and cheaper than others, especially the USA. The USA's answer to China's "threat" hasn't been to try lift their economy, it has been to sanction China, threaten other countries that trade with China, restrict trading with China, attempt to restrict other countries trade with China, and continue to use military threats to keep their empire in line. That strategy is bound to fail. When the USA talks about the "world order", what they mean is the USA's pre-eminnet position in a world order they control. That too is bound to fail.
  • @goldholder8131
    As much as I hate what Academia has become, Hoover Institution does a fantastic job at allowing open and honest conversation to persist. For that, I have much respect and appreciation.
  • @wankee888
    It is your interpretation not what xi jinping says
  • One of the two or three best shows that appears on youtube. Absolutely first class, and should have millions of views.
  • @doreeneclose6295
    The US is hardly renewing at home. Bringing chips back to the US and having business step up to coordinate with military power abroad does not rejuvenation make. America needs to raise the minimum wage, provide college and training and to provide healthcare, for starters, or we are sunk. This country is now a mere bastion for the uber rich. Americans are suffering in ways that this boomer could have never imagined, while we siphon every bit of our energy keeping trade routes open and American power abroad floating. What are we fighting to preserve?
  • @Userkzb20253
    Historically, China has been a major power in Asia for a few millennia. Despite intermittent setbacks, it has consistently rebounded. The present era is no different. Irrespective of whether it's under the leadership of Xi Jinping, the Communist Party, or another entity, China's drive to regain its prominence is inevitable. It’s short sighted to blame China refusal to submission on a person or its system. For the U.S., it would be more strategic to anticipate peaceful coexistence with China than to opt for confrontation. Engaging in costly wars with China, even with a U.S. victory, could paradoxically wounded its global standing. Believing that China has no aspirations akin to the Monroe Doctrine, or presuming that it could be deterred from such ambitions as its Purchasing Power Parity (PPP) outpaces the U.S., is a misjudgment. The emergence of a multipolar world is a foreseeable reality. Yet, in the current political milieu, such forward or divergent thinking often faces unwarranted brushed aside rejections. You may wonder if there are adults in the Hoover Institution.
  • @amunra5330
    All Empires decline- the US is no different.
  • @csm515
    Significant overstatement to call Soviet invasion of Afghanistan an embarrassment for the United States.
  • @babublue69
    So at 5.30 ,interwier says China watches all internet searches but in USA he has not that problem ... 😅
  • @inuwooddog3027
    Is it a Western culture to create a cartoonish villain out of a situation?
  • @adrianryan5654
    But Communism and Marxism is always totalitarian, the idea of Amish style communism does not exist outside small communities.
  • @j3kfd9j
    Great interview. The polarization, so-called, is the locus of great cultural and political energy, and will be our greatest asset if only we can get the different sides of the argument to deeply engage each other. This will happen bottom-up: we can each do this in our own lives. The ideological rival is a resource like no other, relentlessly pointing out the flaws in arguments, the overlooked, the bad assumptions; who wishes to can learn much this way. To renew our liberal democracy, we must practice liberalism and democracy in our own lives: if our culture is imbued with it, our government will be, too. Talk with, befriend, if possible live amongst, those you disagree with. Love them more than you may despise their views. Be humble. You can learn from anyone.
  • Why ..should only US solely be entitled to set the World international rule based order when it is less than 3 % of the worlds population..?
  • @garbonomics
    Interesting, this is perhaps one of the very few times I've seen a guest on the show with whom I mostly disagree. Her assertion that came across as describing the Chinese as "not really being communist" is, in part, the thinking that got us into the situation we're in today. Her description of what the Biden administration is doing that is helping us tackle these problems and the storm, in my opinion, is hurting us more than helping. I could point out more, but I will refrain from writing an essay in the comments section.
  • @patbyrneme007
    This interview typifies everything wrong with elite discussion in the United States (and in Europe for that matter). It consists of hearing what wants to hear and regurgitating it in a glorified echo chamber. There is no attempt to consider arguments or outcomes that are different to the wish fulfilling dreams of maintaining American supremacy at all costs. For example, China's economic problems pale into insignficance with America and Europe's. Similarly, on the political plane - a large majority of the public in the Western countries have been suffering declining living standards for decades and have largely lost trust in their 'democratic' institutions. Meanwhile Chinese people have seen rising living standards for decades and according to polls conducted by US companies are overwhelmingly supportive of ther government. On the international side, China's Belt and Road Inititiative now has 150 countries signed up, and the BRICS is rising fast. One extra thought on Taiwan. If the US really supports the Taiwanese people, why are they shifting chip production to America? This can only devastate the Taiwanese economy whch relies on its local chip production for 50% of its exports? Already, Taiwan's economy is stagnant. If it loses its chip industry perhaps integration with the Chinese mainland will look more attractive than it does today...