Why We Can Never Find a Type 7 Civilization

Before humans can reach any of these civilization levels, we first must learn to simply get along with one another on a global scale.

It's odd that we speculate about the existence of such civilizations and how to find them without considering that any civilization at this stage will inevitably have already found us.

If a Type 2 civilization was so good at harnessing energy, wouldn’t it be a solid hypothesis that they would not emit much infrared radiation because it is being harnessed?

The more we look far in the universe, the younger the universe we see, this could be the most possible reason why we are not able to observe such high type civilizations or intelligent lives...when at the same time it might exist, we are simply looking too backward in time..💀

I remember when I was a boy I talked to my grandfather about alien life and the galaxy. He would tell me that while he didn't see why alien life couldn't exist outside our solar system he hoped we'd never find out. When I asked why he explained that any peaceful civilization would see us a mile away and would give a wide berth, they'd deem us as to warlike and dangerous. They'd be fearful that we get their technology and begin a conquest of the universe. The other option would be a warlike species who would come to earth for the raw resources and would see humanity as nothing more than ants in their backyard. Even then, he explained, then destroying us and getting resources would be more of an afterthought as Earth just isn't that big and it's resources likely wouldn't be worth the limited effort to come and wipe us out when there's trillions of other planets out there that are far larger with much more resources. As such unless a species was just starting exploration and was hopelessly naïve and stumbled across us hoping to reform our people into a peace loving civilization, it's likely that no other alien civilization would ever make contact. They would find us, document our location (perhaps kidnap a few people for test) and then go about there day as if a scientist on earth found a new type of fish. I always thought about that as I've gotten older and the older I get the more I agree with what he said, and the more I'm thankful that humanity is, for now, simply to inconsequential for anyone to worry with if they are there to begin with.

People always say how lucky we are to live during this generation but could you imagine if we were born when humans were a type 5 or 6 civilization if we ever acheive that

Nothing is more hilarious than a Type 0 civilization speculating about a Type 7 one.

My theory is that alien civilizations get along well enough and made a promise not to interfere with other civilizations not yet developed enough to make contact and truly explore space. They would most certainly be aware of us, perhaps even studying us but refusing to interfere. I mean, why should they in the first place? What would an advanced civilization need from us that they wouldn’t already have?

Dyson spheres sound outlandish. I'm surprised they come up so much in these discussions. When a civilization gets to the point that they'd even have the technology to create a Dyson sphere, I'm pretty sure they would have learned more practical ways to harness large amounts of energy.

My biggest issue with the kardeshev scale is it makes way too many assumptions. Such as the need for a “Dyson Sphere” or “Dyson Swarm” for example. That’s only including the first three. The latter four are all purely theoretical as they rely on the existence of entirely unproven concepts.

What do you mean "why we can't find a type 7 civilization"? We haven't even found any other type of civilization

I think that maybe civilizations do not need that much energy . All they need is to learn how to use that same amount of energy more effectively. For ex- if something takes 1000 units of energy right now , then to become a higher civilization we need to learn how to do that same thing in just 10 units

If the type 7 civilization is that powerful "basically God's" they're probably just growing us like SeaMonkeys in an atmospheric bubble right??? 😂

Kind of weird how the Type 7 civilization used to fit with my idea of God when I was younger. I mean technically it could still work now. Like what if there is a civilization so advanced that they are the ones that created our universe. A scientific "God" rather then a religious one.

The great filter for us is clearly religion and greed

Serious issue: energy degrades into heat. Unlimited energy would produce/concentrate unlimited heat.

the kardashev scale is only based on energy. there are many other factors that can be considered for rating a civilization. the problem of classifying a civilization purely by energy consumption may lead to some odd comparisons; with some cultures landing in the same category despite having vastly different sizes and capabilities. its good to look at other versions of the kardashev scale and other scales entirely to get a more complete picture.

Imagine how much we could accomplish if humanity worked together, sadly it will never happen.

How would a type 2 civilization acquire the materials required to construct a dysons sphere? I feel like the matter required would exceed what exists on the home planet.

I think Dyson sphere is just an idea of how a type 2 civilisation would be, but in general the Dyson sphere can really effect the speed of the whole solar system along with the sunlight getting to other planets too