Bernardo Kastrup "Jung's Crown Jewel"
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Published 2024-04-18
1. For whatever reasons the interview with Bernardo Kastrup that I had stumbled on in March 2019 had an enormously powerful emotional effect on me. I went to a long walk in the night and slept at most a couple of hours right before the sunrise. In the few following days I registered myself for the seminar “Micro and Macrocosmos, Animism, Science and Spiritualiy” at Wasiwaska – I got the last place there – and on April 2 I already took notes from Rupert Sheldrake’s first lecture. These two weeks at Wasiwaska have been without any doubt the most formative in my life so far – since then I never thought about going back to antidepressants again.
2. I struggled with that question for a couple of years until I realized that whatever I could conceivably change in my design, it would have an impact only on the structure and function of the program. It would bring me no closer to having a reason to consider the computer conscious. In other words, none of what I did had any bearing on consciousness. It was completely incommensurable. That realization forced me to reevaluate my metaphysics, my view of the nature of reality and the nature of mind. It forced me to retrace my steps, in order to figure out when I took a wrong turn that brought me to a dead alley. And I realized that the wrong turn was the assumption I had never examined – that consciousness is something that you can create out of specific material arrangements. That assumption was wrong.
3. From a philosophical perspective the most important milestone was a 1974 paper by an US thinker Thomas Nagel „What Is It Like to Be a Bat?“. That brought consciousness back into the scientific debate. In the 90s there ensued already the discussion about panpsychism. It seems to me that based on the Nobel Prize (2023) winning experiments that refuted physical realism, some form of idealism is probably the only plausible alternative we have. Be as it may, materialism is history and Jung held the light during the most difficult, dangerous and narrow segment of the path that has brought us here.
4. Sheldrake takes Jung’s idea further. It is not only original archetypes – fundamental, intrinsic properties of nature – that are important but also habits through which the past keeps shaping the future. A habit created in the past will bias the probabilities of events happening today. Habits have a certain momentum, a certain inertia. Once they are set in motion, they open a path that nature would tend to use afterwards.
5. The University of Zürich acknowledged Hillman’s doctoral thesis on emotions with summa cum laude. Hillman poeticized the whole of life and tried in this way to provide a counterbalance to the current cynical, scientistic view of nature which says that nature is something that is dead, that it is intrinsically devoid of meaning and that meaning is an illusion that we project on nature. Hillman tried to shift the pendulum radically to the other extreme, in the hope that it would stop somewhere in the middle.
6. We think that our inability to understand evil is a sign of our moral superiority. Our politicians go up to a stage and say full of pride that they cannot relate to evil. By saying that they want to reassure us that they themselves would not be capable of doing such malicious things. This is not only an incredibly immature but also dangerous attitude because if you truly do not understand evil, you are going to be a victim of evil or an instrument of it. Eighty years ago all evil in the world was embodied in Hitler, just as it is now in Putin.
7. I don't even know which adjective to use here. James Hollis is not only the deepest living Jungian, he is also probably one of the wisest men alive. Hollis is a wounded healer. Life has put him through unspeakable suffering, so he understands where people are. He understands suffering, he understands it very, very well. Hollis has found the strength in himself to perform the alchemical transformation from suffering to healing, to turn suffering into the ability to heal. He is especially essential for men who go through midlife crisis.
All Comments (21)
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“Saving the Appearances” Book by Owen Barfield. Outstanding book by a brilliant man.
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I was mind blown by the rational brilliant way Bernardo explained about synchronicities that I decided to share a deep one I experimented last night, with some friends, and guess what...... when i came back to listen to this video, with my ear buds, contemplating the skies, suddenly, my chair broke down in several places. this was a VERY interesting synchronicity - the body didn't like it so much... I now have a new chair on my balcony that I trust more to adventure myself into going back there and listen to the rest of this genius video. thank you!
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A very interesting conversation. I always learn something new from Bernardo Kastrup.
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Owen Barfield's Saving the Appearances a great read! Sadly, Rupert Sheldrake and "Morphic Resonance" (not to neglect Bishop Berkeley) did not make the subtitle edit! How many decades must pass before the ideas being discussed in this interview are taught to the general public and overtake our present destructive physicalistic cultural habits.
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10:00 Owen Barfield. "Saving the Appearances - A Study in Idolatry"
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I love those who follow the evidence and don’t just get stuck and dogmatic. Good work Bernardo.
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Profoundly helpful. Thank you both.
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Thank you both for the conversation, is always a pleasure to listen to Bernardo’s ideas and with a very good job by the interviewer is better, thank you again 🙏
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Thank you both very much for sharing your time and work, that phrase a "wounded healer" has incredible depth, peace
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Outstanding! As always.
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Great video. I liked the point made that the change in paradigm towards a materialistic view that what we perceive is the only reality does not hold water. That of course we and other organisms do not perceive all that exists.
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Thank you. A wonderful discussion with Bernardo.❤
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YES YES YES YES YES IMAGination Keep it up!
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This was great. Thank you both. Enjoyed this a lot more than i thought...so much food for thought. Thank you
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Owen Barfield wrote "Saving the Appearances".
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Great thanks!
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This reminds me of the Catholic Church keeping the Dark Occult out of the mainstream before the Age of Reason. We should all be grateful for that because the dark occult is not good for mind or for community.
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There is substance and there are ideas. Therefore Reality is a play of Ideas on Substance. The Substance and the Ideas come from the same source: Consciousness (fundamental); Mind (material, emerges with quantum events).
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OK BK does exactly that (he compares what’s going on Ukraine with what’s going on in Israel) in his next interview with “David Tizzard” (at 26 min in) It was released today Sunday 4/27/24.
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Who is "Cheatem" (spelling help please), who wrote "All the World An Image". Bernardo mentions this book at 35:43. I want to find it.
