William Lane Craig and Sean Carroll | "God and Cosmology" | 2014 Greer Heard Forum

♦"Religion began when the first scoundrel met the first fool." ♦"Religion allows fools by the millions to believe what only lunatics could believe on their own." ♦"Only fools revere the supernatural myths & fictions just because a book claims itself to be the holy truth." ♦"The delusional religious fools are cocksure and the intelligent full of doubt." ♦"It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled." ♦"It's difficult to free fools from the chains they revere."

Watching religious people try to explain science to a scientist is like watching a chimp try to start a fire.

I am perfectly happy to admit that the universe has changed. It was very small and now it is very big. Why ? I don't know. But I don't think my ignorance is evidence for God.

Craig didn't even understand Sean Carroll's reply or his statements. It's not about "winning" as there is no win. Apologizing for new data incoming isn't productive, and Craig's "theory' doesn't return useful data or further searches with the scientific approach. ☮💜

I'm still waiting for William Lane Craig to demonstrate his magic in a lab.

Craig has this standard and well practiced move of putting on this sing-song incredulous voice and saying "I can't believe that atheists think that something can just pop out of nothing". Carroll gives him good reasons why the expression "something popping out of nothing" is incoherent and applies everyday intuitions to cosmological situations where we would expect those intuitions to fail. Craig's response to this is to again put on his sing-song incredulous voice and say "I can't believe that atheists think that something can just pop out of nothing". He is way out of his depth, scientifically and philosophically.

This video should start with a health warning. I have been head-desking for 27 mins as Craig fails physics again and again.

I feel sorry for WLC. Imagine spending your whole life living under a delusion that you’ll never know to be false when the lights go out & it was all a total waste of time

What does a debate like this on deism really accomplish for theists? Fine. There’s a clockmaker god who built the universe and started the ticking. Now what? Clockmaker god or infinite universe? There are no implications to either answer. That must be very depressing for theists. All that energy and you’re no closer to proving the clockmaker is YOUR favorite god. “You cannot get from deism to theism except by a series of extraordinarily generous—to yourself—assumptions. The deist has all his work still ahead of him to show that it leads to revelation, to redemption, to salvation or to suspensions of the natural order; in which, hitherto, you'd be putting all of your faith—all your evidence is on scientific and natural evidence.” -Hitchens

Dr. Craig is amazing at moving goalposts in an admittedly elegant way. His confidence and delivery of illogical false dilemmas, shows that one can accomplish anything with enough practice.

I still don’t understand why WLC will debate Sean regarding cosmology😂 Sean is a full time theoretical physicist lmao

W.L.Craig says at 1.34.20 and 1.13.55 he finds it too fantastic to believe the universe came out of nothing, yet he still believes God created the universe out of nothing ! duh.

It’s crazy how Craig stands there and exasperated how the universe has NO evidence that it’s eternal, and yet claims an eternal, gendered, Christian god. It’s like- Do you hear yourself?!

Craig ventured out of his wheelhouse and got punished. Carrol won it by a landslide. I applaud the attempt though, that could not have been easy.

I'm still waiting for Dr. Craig to demonstrate the supernatural.

Be honest. Craig got his can handed to him. No contest.

When somebody made up the idea that one person made the universe, they didn't know how incredibly big it is. They thought the stars were little lights in a dome, just above the earth reachable with a very long ladder.

This is the one debate that I think WLC struggled in. Sean was so well mannered and gave respectful attacks to theism. Didn’t lose his cool once. Rebutted the points very clearly. Beautiful debate as a whole. One I’ve been able to listen to more than a few times.

Craig disagreeing with the author of the guth velanken theorem strikes me as profoundly dishonest. He has been corrected and still references it smh

A true pity that there was no cross examination in this debate