Why 75% of Engineers Will NEVER Work As Engineers!!

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Published 2021-05-31
The numbers speak for themselves. Going into this video I was not expecting the results that I found. 75% of engineers don't work in engineering! I knew this anecdotally. But to see it written directly in my face was a shocker. There should not be this many engineers without good jobs, or this many people going to college to get degrees that won't lead to jobs. No matter what people tell you, having and education is nice, but having employment is even better. I still think that an engineering degree or a STEM degree is your best shot at getting employment, so if you choose to do any degree do a STEM degree. This video got me on the rails, I think that our government investments into education could be put to way better use if we had a perfect match of supply and demand when it comes to engineering jobs. But we just keep printing more engineering degrees and there is no reason for the universities to slow down since so many people covet them. I definetly think we need to tell students to look into trade schools or different employment paths because sinking money into an engineering degree with an outcome of 20-30% unemployment is ridiculous.

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www.census.gov/dataviz/visualizations/stem/stem-ht…
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www.newyorkfed.org/research/college-labor-market/c…
www.ospe.on.ca/public/documents/advocacy/2015-cris…
www.insidehighered.com/quicktakes/2020/02/18/41-re…
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Main Notes:
75% OF ENGINEERING GRADUATES END UP DITCHING ENGINEERING AFTER GRADUATION.
Why do most Engineering not end up working in Engineering?

There are a few explanations:
Students say they can't find a job in their field of study.
Employers say there is a lack of qualified workers.
Who's right?

The next logical step would be to say, well, are we graduating too many engineers?
According to newyorkfed.gov engineers across the board see an unemployment rate of about 2-4%, so they are finding jobs. But about 20-30% of them are underemployed.

You'll notice that approximately 50% of the engineers who are employed in decent jobs, are likely not working in engineering. Now for them this might not be so bad because maybe they wanted to work in a different field, or maybe they found a job that is more interesting to them. But then what happens to all the other degrees, well the engineers end up taking those jobs because there aren't enough engineering jobs.

The Ontario Society of Professional Engineers did a survey asking 4th year engineering students if they intended to work in engineering after graduation. 92% of respondents said that they would definitely or probably be working in engineering. But as we already know from looking at the statistics, only about 25-30% of them will end up working in engineering at all.

I'm not sure who's to blame here. Is it the fact that Universities are not providing students with the job ready skills that employers want? Is it the fact that the employers are unwilling to spend the time and the money on training a new hire. Is it that the economy is not producing enough engineering jobs? Or are we simply just printing too many degrees and the rate of job creation can't keep up with it. I think that it is a mix of all of these factors, but I'm inclined to think that the biggest proponent is simply too much demand for engineering degrees.

An engineering degree costs about $100,000 in Canada, which means that the large number of Engineers who are underemployed are not putting Government Funding for universities to good use. There is a big mismatch between supply and demand for engineering degrees.

All Comments (21)
  • @OliverFoote
    I still think engineering is your best bet if you want a good job. Also university is a time to explore what it is you actually want to do. So don't feel bad if you find you aren't interested in your main field of study, and I actually encourage testing out different classes that interest you. Thanks for watching!
  • @dallasron51
    What’s frustrating for us History majors is knowing that civilization needs engineers a whole lot more than it needs lawyers.
  • @TangomanX2008
    I saw this in action. When I was working a tech support job, a co worker had an enginnering degree. He was teasing me about my "Useless" philosophy and psychology degrees. I got the last laugh in the conversation when I pointed out that we have the exact same job role.
  • Graduated in EE in 1980, made good money, saved up. Retired early with a FAT pension. I couldn't do that today. Ever since Jack Welch laid off thousands of Engineers, the fix has been in. Companies that used to hire people out of college, and train them (me included), won't do that anymore. Rather, they just bid against the few candidates out there. I became a Manager mid-career, which gave me longevity and a higher salary. But, then they told me that we were going to cut some engineering salaries by 40%, and I knew the whole "STEM" shortage crap was total BS. I've felt that way for a long time. To beat the system, get a plain vanilla Engineering degree with "Average U", that doesn't break you, and then get certifications in those things that are "hot". After that, move into management. Oh, and ignore everything management tells you. They're probably lying...
  • In the 50s, 60s, and 70s, companies would hire new grads out of school and put them directly into training programs. Then starting in the 80s, manufacturing went offshore and companies started demanding that engineers have a few years of experience, and with each decade that passed the level of experience companies demand are ever increasing. When engineering grads see how near-impossible it is for them to get work, they switch to another career.
  • @Pseudonym1234
    The answer is simple, most products need 2-5 engineers, 5-10 practical engineers, 50-100 people with technical skills without any higher education.
  • @TheAnonymous4545
    I went to a career fair right after university and there was this employer who had a sign showing how much each entry position pay is expected to be. The chef gets paid more than engineers which shows that the company values the guy who cooks eggs more than the people actually running their facilities
  • @mochamp4353
    Shockingly, I graduated college with a degree in electrical engineering and landed a job directly relating to electrical engineering and it’s a pretty great job too. Biggest advice I can give to people in college or recently graduated is to just apply to everything you possibly can and something will show itself
  • I have a Mechanic Engineering degree, graduated top 10% . I cannot get a job worth squat. Don't listen to the stupid stats. It's very hard to land or maintain an engineering job.
  • @BB-iq4su
    50 years in electrical engineering. 50 years of continuous educating myself. So much fun. Didn't want to retire.
  • @shawnpa
    One reason engineers have trouble finding work is that the field that traditionally needed engineers, manufacturing has been drastically curtailed in the US and Canada.. Companies will say that they don't have enough engineers applying, but that's in order to open up the employment market to the world. More competition, and also better to hold down wages.
  • @Vegaswill714
    I am an older guy who worked a full career as an Engineer, or as an Engineering manager. I think I can add perspective to this discussion. I found two things often happen to engineers. One is that many folks start out as Engineers but 5 - 10 years into their career, they take other roles within the company. Often the jobs are promotions and pay more than an engineering role. A common thing was for Engineers to progress in the Engineering ranks, then at some point take a job as a project manager, production manager or construction manager or similar. Very often an Engineering Background prepares you for other careers; for example my friends in Finance often say that they like to hire Engineers as Financial Analysists because we can master the math easily compared to others. The second occurrence is that Engineers choose to get advanced degrees in other fields, for example an MBA or Law degree. Very often a Lawyer with an Engineering background is desired in areas such as patent law, or for litigation involving technical issues. Michael Blomberg received a Bachelors degree in Electrical Engineering, never worked a day as an Engineer. Me, I loved my Engineering career and never regretted putting in the time and effort to get my credential.
  • @DesertRat332
    I got a Mechanical Engineering degree back in the early 80s. I went into engineering because the calculator had come out and I thought it would be more fun to solve Physics problems with a calculator instead of a slide rule. And it was, but I never used the calculator much in my jobs. Still, no regrets. It was a good career and gave me a good retirement.
  • @marcor5886
    A job as engineer requires the right attitude, soft skills and personality traits. They don't hire you because you have a degree but becuase you are brillant. In the past holding a degree in engineering was a guarantee to be brillant, nowadays education has become an industry like any others and churns out as much graduates as possible. Having a good referral is a great way to land a job, as unfair as it may sound.
  • I think the main reason is you can’t expect high school students to know what they want to be at 17 or 18 just because they are good at math & physics. After 4 years of hell with non inspiring engineering professors, most don’t want to be engineers. I had ChemE degree from UCLA but MS in Organic chemistry and worked as pharmaceutical chemist. Many of my classmates went onto Med schools , MBA or law schools. Only about 1/3 became engineers
  • @sejtano
    the STEM shortage has always been a lie, at least for the past 30 years
  • @TheCASSMAN777
    I'm an electrical engineering technician. My job is to maintain telecommunications equipment. I don't have an engineering degree. I just got this job because I did something similar in the military. I have a few coworkers who have actual electrical engineering degrees, but are technicians instead. What I often tell young people in high school is to get a trade job to see if they like it, and if they want to go to college, take college part time while they work. If they don't like college, then they can do trade jobs instead.
  • @normbograham
    Money has left engineering jobs. Meaning, in 1990, I knew millionaires whom started as programmers. However, it was not long before employers, went to the government to reduce wages, by asking the government to import more L1 and H1B visa holders, so, they could pay less. this has been going on for 40 years.
  • @igboman2860
    I left Electrical engineering and went into computer science and I never looked back. Financially rewarding and challenging
  • @3monsterbeast
    2 months into my engineering program, I wanted to quit and my parents didn't let me. It took me little bit longer than others to graduate but I wouldn't want it any other way now, I am so glad I never quit on it!