No Such Thing as a Good Cult with Mark Vicente Part 2 | Navigating Narcissism with Dr. Ramani

Mark has such a nice personality and is a very intelligent guy, it goes to show how anyone can get caught up with this

I remember the day when I realized that my mother stopped physically abusing me because my dad got sober and asked myself, "How did I not know this sooner?" That day, I realized what a monster my mother was.

Dr Ramani you are doing an amazing job and I believe everybody should listen to this podcast to increase our awareness about narcissism

The healing of Nature-Mark's description of sitting at the ocean after such an experience, and the ocean bringing him back to earth and back to his true self is the most moving for me.

WOW what AMAZING podcast, was married to a narcissist for 28yrs, now soooo EDUCATED ON this, well well DONE for taking this on, had to go through the courts for several years but TG i really think judge saw through him, thank you so much for this, it's HORRENDOUS what a Narcissist puts you through, God bless you, and God love people left behind, knowledge is power.

Just starting watching this. The cult I was in ( ICOC) did the same type of manipulating. Took me 17 years to get out. But it can't be prosecuted because the founder, Kip McKean never trafficked women. But the lifelong emotional damage he did to THOUSANDS of people is abominable. He started a new cult in Los Angeles and it breaks my heart for those people. He does EXACTLY the same tactics.

Awesome these two together. Cults familes couples government business. Its everywhere because we enable it.

we really need people to stand for something and real compassionate people

Thank you for the podcast and interview. Beginning to see this is a problem in the esoteric spiritual community. I am extricating myself from that community after depersonalization and dissociation thru spiritual gaslighting.

So glad I found this. It's so insightful, because I'm dealing with the dilemma of listening to my intuition vs self doubts as "it's your fears, you isolate yourself, you're not living life..." Believe it or not, it's extremely difficult no matter how old you are.

I liked your example Dr.Ramani there is not a healthy cigarette and same as the narsisism, there is not a healthy narcisism

Thank you for this very painful topic that many will not talk about. It's not easy mentally, emotionally, and most of all physically. It hurts but it reminds us that we are alive. Because you can truly gets so completely lost it's crazy. But doing our best to stay focused to not get sucked in and continue to strengthen ourselves mentally. That is the main goal DAILY. I'm grateful for where I am in my recovery not all the way healed or out but know I'm not completely lost. PEACE BE WITH YOU ALL.

Thank Goodness You guys agree about the whole POSITIVE word I have grown to hate the word. The worst thing ever said to me after my son died, was well something always positive comes out of something bad. NOOOOOO wrong. My son got sick and died. That was also 3 months after I left my Narcissist ex and was told the same by many. Be positive it’s over, yes I physically left BUT the scares run deep.

I know that you two need no ego boosting but I enjoy hearing such intellectual compassionate people!! It bothers me that people think only gullible dumb people get pulled in by cults or narcissistic people!! From your videos and from watching these documentaries, it seems that it is really good people that want to make a difference and want self improvement!! I think narcs love to target these kind of people because they truly want to break them down!! I think in reality they can’t believe that people really care about others because it is an emotion they can’t feel so really they are searching for something too or more like “hunting!”

This is an amazing conversation. I have to admit to being fascinated and drawn to documentaries and stories about narcissism, cults, psychopathy, and the like. I am so glad to hear you bringing up the insane amount of material that is being produced for tv right now. I do notice the pattern because pattern recognition is a large part of how I understand the world, but its not something I consciously thought to do. I'm thinking about it more consciously now. I agree that victims are often portrayed as fools or as naive, and this is such a loss of an opportunity to share those peoples' strength. The one series I have seen that presents the victims as powerful was _Love Fraud_, which focused on the women who all fell prey to the same narcissistic con man. It didn't bother to show much about him outside of his role in the situation. These women are heroes and they are strong and smart. You get to see that and the perpetrator looked, to me, like a buffoon. Very well done.

I like what you say about looking at the person who is harming others, with intent! No excuses for them.

This is probably the most important and validating talk I’ve listened to on Narcissism. I just had a shock when someone in my life revealed just how extreme their viewpoint is (only one person’s needs matter). Thank you for exploring the severity of the shock when someone’s foundation and reality is suddenly shattered. I’m feeling physical symptoms from experiencing this recently. The good thing is that I’ve been through this before and have enough life experience to know that this too will pass; I will heal, and life will go on, giving me new opportunities to try again, choose again, and hopefully this time be a little bit wiser for the experience. Most importantly though, who do I choose to be today and will I fight the demons inside myself?

my mother and family are narcissists... my life was ruined.

Interesting what Bonnie did! “I have so many things going on; I have so many fears. I’m just going to go be still and be with myself.” Reconnecting with herself is such a good practice! 10 days. It was when I spent 2 weeks away from an ex that I also began to see more clearly and found the strength to leave.

WOW! This is an amazing show, I was in something that is billed as "self help" (that I cant go into) and while its not a perfect fit there are many similarities.