What if the Trump assassination attempt had succeeded? | Andrew Marr | The New Statesman

"This is a man who never forgets" - gets someone to be his VP who called him hitler.

Let's remember that Trump was a Democrat - he has made the biggest possible flip flop

Does Vance not know that Pakistan already has nuclear weapons?

American here. Nobody's thought he was gonna try to broaden his appeal with a VP, loyalty has been central to the maga camp for a while.

Re. The rhetoric. Maybe Trump Jnr has a very small point, but very few on the left say that he is *literally the same as Hitler*, so you fall into his trap. Also, the more substantive thing is that even if Dems rhetoric plays a part in things, he is being deceitful if he doesn't also accept that Repubs' rhetoric does the same. And in truth, more aggressively and pervasively. You let him off the hook, Andrew.

I am still not convinced that Marr is right about Trump/Biden

I have actually heard similar criticisms of Britain by Muslims from Muslim countries: That we are particularly vulnerable to Islamism, because we don't understand Islam, and we're overly worried about being politically correct. Extremists know how to exploit those weaknesses. And the first victims are often moderate Muslims.

But it’s the media that fuels the issue by using inflammatory language. The media is almost fully to blame imo.

“I think his mate saw me… YES yes he did” -Sniper TF2

My goodness! What about the words used by Trump et al?

"He has been seen, right across the board, by, you know, writers and politicians of the left as well as the right as an exceptional talent when it comes to that". Not by anybody who has actually read the book, surely? It is just full of smug superiority and lazy, stigmatising stereotypes about people in poverty. It shows that he is an assiduous non-reader of policy research. It shows that he still clings to the disproven idea that poverty is a behavioural problem. It shows that he lacks the sociological imagination. Who are these people on the left that respect or admire him for his book? I need to know to make sure I stop taking them seriously in future.

So Marr's argument is don't murder anyone in case someone worse than the victim takes over. This in a clip where the Hill Billy VP candidate Vance was being discussed. Any semi concious first year psychoanalyst will have a field day... and what was the woman in the clip sniggering and chortling about?

Andrew Marr: The Attenborough of British and International Politics

This magazine needs to get out into the real world

It's a shame these conversations are not more balanced.

Words become sticks and stones. Good point

Maybe Vance had advanced sight of Leeds before he made the joking remark

'Trump is a man who never forgets'. He literally just appointed as Vice, someone who called him Americas Hitler. He clearly does forget.

Sorry. No idea where 6:45 came from

A very interesting discussion. Very good.