This is how you destroy Raspberry Pi

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Published 2024-05-24
LattePanda's Mu is the latest entrant in the 'Pi Killer' battle, but it has a trick up its sleeve.

LattePanda sent me the Mu and carrier board for review, so I'm marking this video as having a 'product placement'—however, they had no input into the video's contents, and have paid nothing for me to talk about their product.

Some of the things I mentioned in this video:

- LattePanda Mu: www.lattepanda.com/lattepanda-mu
- My SBC Reviews GitHub repo: github.com/geerlingguy/sbc-reviews
- Radxa Rock 5C: radxa.com/products/rock5/5c/
- Radxa CM5: radxa.com/products/computer-on-module/cm/cm5
- Turing RK1: turingpi.com/product/turing-rk1/
- Raspberry Pi 5: www.raspberrypi.com/products/raspberry-pi-5/
- ETA PRIME's video on the Mu:    • The New LattePanda MU Is The Smallest...  

Also, my blog post to go with this video: www.jeffgeerling.com/blog/2024/lattepanda-mu-crams…

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Contents:

00:00 - Hardware is (not) the answer
01:17 - Conjoined triangles of success
02:32 - x86 (not Arm)
03:52 - Where's the support?
06:24 - LattePanda Mu
08:20 - A lot of promise (is it enough?)

All Comments (21)
  • @scratchanitch
    Moore's law isn't dead, it just has a new definition: The number of Pis you accumulate doubles roughly every 2 years
  • "Or put it in your drawer and hope to someday" That felt like a personal attack, Jeff.
  • @trickman01
    "Until next time I'm Jeff Geerling". Drops the next video, still Jeff Geerling. False advertising.
  • @whothefoxcares
    Can you legally punish your own children by forcing them to build your kernels without pay on underpowered SBCs?
  • @ganniterix
    I never understand why reviewers of SBC's keep saying statements X-times faster than RPi. The litmus test is always "How many products from this vendor still get support 6 months down the line?" In most cases a lot of the SBC's are built around SOC's meant for a specific Android version, and good luck getting long term Linux support. To be honest, I don't care how fast SBC's are. They are not about speed. I couldn't have agreed more with you during this video!
  • At $185 for the LattePanda MU, forget it. I bought 3 GMKtec NucBox G3 Mini PC's with the N100, 8GB of RAM each, 256GB M.2 NVMe, 2.5GB Ethernet/Wifi 6E.. for $120 each. And the RAM/SSD is upgradable. And there is an extra M.2 slot to run another SSD or external GPU. And you get a Windows 11 Pro license. And you can get that price all day on Amazon and have them the next day.
  • @mehdimido5270
    Intel based SBCs' main advantage for me is the video encoder which makes it perfect for a media server
  • @None17555
    "Temperatures matter to a degree" Oh you rapscallion you
  • “HOW DO YOU DESTROY A RASPBERRY PI??” “You forgot to cherish it”
  • @cv990a4
    It's not even about "destroying" Raspberry Pi (Jeff needs to stop outsourcing the writing to Redshirt). There is clearly room for a number 2 in the market (an Avis to Rasberry's Hertz, in rental car terms, or, if you like a Lyft to Rasberry's Uber), and it's been very clear what that takes - dedicated support. And a strong number 2 in the market would only make Raspberry better - it would make them work that much harder. With apologies to Jeff, this has been obvious for years. What's crazy is that as obvious as it is, no manufacturer has taken up the challenge. I think it's worth thinking deeper about what that would mean - maybe challenge Jeff to do that, because his knowledge on this far outclasses mine, for sure. Would that mean picking the top five or six Linux distros and ensuring they run on new SBCs out of the box? Guarantee five years of support? What's the kind of minimum viable level of support that would start to separate the sheep from the goats in the non-Pi SBC market? Another thing I've wondered - is it possible to have a Raspberry clone? Or a near clone? Is that a viable path for a second player to emerge?
  • @drewswoods
    I used a rpi4 as my primary computer for two or so years, and from my experience, it's software support that matters most for medium-high end SBCs. I saw significant improvement in usability on the pi4 over the two or so years, and I'd hate to have to go through that rough starting phase again.
  • Oh, I misread the title. I thought it was “This is how you destroy A Raspberry Pi”. I was thinking, “What’s so hard about that?”.
  • @bami2
    Taking the company public and getting that free market hand involved is probably how you destroy Raspberry Pi
  • @delarosomccay
    I wrote mobile software in the early 00's for Qualcomm and later Kyocera Wireless (who bought out Qualcomm's handset division). Back in those days getting ahold of an ARM compiler was a PITA. They were SUPER expensive and single seat licensed - they were basically node locked. So once you installed it somewhere, it was a PITA to get it installed somewhere else. Say you got a new machine or whatever - yeah, you can't run the ARM compiler you payed over $1k of year 2000 dollars for. There were some enterprising groups working GCC ports, but they weren't quite there yet and didn't produce the same optimized code as the ARM compiler (back in those days on those handsets saving even 100 bytes of RAM or NAND storage space was paramount). The landscape is way different now - the ARM port for GCC is very mature and I don't even know if they still sell an ARM compiler since GCC produces pretty well optimized code now (plus we don't have the same resource constraints we did 20 years ago).
  • @roland985
    $155 - $180 is the cost of a 4GB Pi 5. A latte panda is cheaper in Australia, at least.
  • @jefftp
    I was all ready to make a comment about "conjoined triangles of success" but Geerling beat me to it. Foiled again!
  • @Dylan1313
    i got called out with the "put it in a drawer and hope to use it someday"
  • @thegreyfuzz
    The only limitation for the N100 is the 16G of RAM limit. I have one of those cheap microITX N100 mainboards ($129(ish)), in a NAS case running on M.2 drives, Proxmox hosting pfSense, PiHole, a few more smaller VM's and a bunch of containers, and a NAS (passthrough for 4 x 2T SSD's)... power draw hovers at only 27w ! The N100 may be a real contender, a lot of punch for smaller power reqs. I'd like to see what the N100 SoM can do.
  • @user-dz9yl7hi8j
    Good to see that you're making content on some more boards for my birthday this year my wife bought me a new SBC it happens to be a x86 board as well from Radxa. The X2l has proven to be an awesome addition to my workforce of tech. So much so I have begun to daily drive it as well. This SOM platform is definitely singing my song and would love to purchase one soon. Thanks for the awesome content as always.