RV Frame Flex, BROKE Slide, Suspension, Floor & More! WE TELL ALL!

I am a welder that worked for😮 Libert components for a total of 11 years The first year I worked for them I Wilded frames RV frames That was in the early 2000s We always used quarter inch steel to build all the framesThe second time i worked for them was just the last 10 years and i retired in 2021i worked in axles then But we would hear about troubles in other departmentsThe RV manufacturers were having trouble with weight so they demanded that the frames be built with thinner steelTo save weight that's where all the trouble is coming from the frames that are built now are not as strong as they were in the early years

We were looking at moving from a travel trailer to a 5th wheel. We have changed our minds. Not contemplating getting one at all now, but, certainly not a Grand Design. That’s a negative ghost rider.

That is a lot to fix! Thanks for the update! I’m so glad they took such good care of you all! ❤

I installed Sumosprings on day one over three years ago and I am 100% they are the reason why I havent any suspension issues. GD is trying to deflect blame.

Been through all of that! GD definitely took care of us with the Frame Flex issue and went beyond with fixing other items we didn't know about. Just as you described. The Sumo Springs, wow!!!

Glad you guys got everything taken care of hopefully your problems are over. Safe travels!

WOW, thanks y'all. We were so delighted to be able to spend time with y'all. I still say Nick is the nicest young man I've ever met.

Grand Design has had frame issues for a few years now as I’ve noticed by talking to quite a few people on my adventures and seen other YouTubers complaining of the same issues. The frame flex causes most of the other issues like a waterfall. Glad they made things right for you and wish you luck in the future.

I added Sumosprings to my travel trailer, did 40,000 km on it and had no frame issues. I still had a leaf spring snap, and the roadside technician said if I did not have the Sumosprings support, likely I would have had a major accident, losing control of the rig.

Each time I watch one of your update videos my heart sinks a little bit more. Both for you and I must say for myself as I have a very similar grand design RV. In my case it’s a 397THS. The list you gave today was very helpful for things to check over in my own rig. Knock on wood, I have not had any of the issues that you’ve encountered. The bane of my existence has been the very overpriced generator that refuses to stay running week to week when off grid , luckily that has a four year warranty on it. I’m glad that everything finally worked out for you! The other thing that got my attention in this video is the experience you’ve had with Thousand Trails. Again having a very similar rig to yours and having the top tier Thousand Trails membership, I’m extremely disappointed with it. not trying to start anything with my comment on this but I have found the parks to be old, small , crowded and filled with full timers and when I say full timers, those who do not leave the park. However, my biggest issue is I find the parks and the entryways and roadways to be much too small for a rig that is 43 feet long even after purchasing the plan I did I’ve stayed at two of their parks in two years and I cannot wait for the first opportunity to sell my membership. Keep up the great work on the videos and good luck going forward!

Glad the GD finally came through for you. It sounds like many more people are still fighting.

We currently have a 28 line work order open on our new Rig, we feel you on the big work order

Please do all consumers right and file a complaint with NHTSA (National Highway Transportation Safety Administration)! Everyone who has this issue needs to file a complaint, which will be the only way for these issues to be addressed. Enough people that file will cause the NHTSA to investigate and take appropriate steps against the manufacturer. They are the agency that can enforce a recall on these RV Manfactures!! Some frame flex is normal but frame failures have huge safety implications.

We have a 1985 TravelAir 30' 5th wheel and we've debated trading up to something Bigger,Better and newer. Kinda am thinking of keeping what we have. We dont have the troubles of all the newer campers. Thanks for making up our minds. Great video.

Hope they did a better job than they did on My Bucket List Day's rig!!

Sumo springs!!!!!! Im lost for words. Thanks for letting us all know about trailer repairs. Keep your eyes on the prize. ALLIANCE!! 😉

You two need to watch My Bucket List Day Grand Design canceled their warranty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am not siding with any one, but I am opposed to installing anything between the spring hangers that places a load on the frame unless the frame is specifically designed to have that load placed there. As a welder fabricator for over 40 years, steel beams can be damaged by having forces excerted where it shouldn't be. I aggree with the welder that worked for Lippert in the early 2000's, the frames were thicker gauge and much less problematic. If the springs were actually bottoming out and causing damage to the frame from bottoming out, I would say something would need to be done, but I would recommend going to a heavier capacity spring. A Sumo spring will only compress so far and then it becomes like a block of wood . A leaf spring has more resistance as it is compressed further but never gets to where it is solid unless it actually hits the bottom of the frame. Some off road vehicles use what is called a hydraulic bump stop. It is like a shock absorber that comes into contact with the suspension and slows it down with oil dampening but falls short of a hard stop.

Mine is one of those rigs they referenced about sumosprings. They tried to tell me that sumosprings caused structural issues on my BRAND NEW Solitude 390 that was broken FROM THE DEALER LOT on day one. I no longer have the sumo's on my trailer either because I don't want GD to have a reason to void my warranty.

Good job Harold and Cindy. I would be interested to know what Sumo springs have to say about that.