The End of the Stickshift — The Carmudgeon Show feat Jason Cammisa & Derek Tam HyphenScott — Ep 138

Jason: “they only made 2 manual e32s” Hyphen: searches internal hard drive and finds 3 examples of manual e32s. Who needs google? 😂

Oh no Manuel is dead! He seemed like such a nice guy!

Regarding the Supra and GR86, Toyota doesn't let dealers/customers order cars. They produce what they want. People are on waitlists for the manual GR86s, and people who give up waiting buy an auto or go to Subaru and order a manual BRZ (hence the high take rate there). Same thing with Supra. There isn't a single dealership without a waitlist or 20k markup for manual Supras. 48% of GR86s sold were manual because Toyota decided to produce 48% of GR86s with a manual

RE: the difference in take rate between BRZ and GR86. I bought my BRZ in 2019, and at the time Subaru just had better packages. Toyota nickel and dimed you for infotainment, the Brembo brakes, all sorts of little shit. Subaru had better value propositions, and they had manuals available. Toyota wanted MSRP for automatics, Subaru let my manual out the door for 7k under MSRP. Hard to see it in retrospect if you weren't shopping the cars at the time.

Re: BRZ vs GR86 manual take rate- Subaru will let you order whatever you like. Don't want the transmission/color/trim BRZ on the lot? Fine, order your [insert preference here] and wait for it. Easy. That's what I did. Toyota builds (well, has Subaru build) whatever GR86s they want and ships them to dealers. I'm sure they have their reasons, but there is no way to actually 'order' a GR86. You just have to find what you want (or will settle for) coming down the pipeline, whether that's at your local dealer (many had wait-lists) or researching online and calling around to other Toyota dealers that may have what you want.

M2 is a zf8 speed not a DCT

I wonder how different those manual sales numbers would be if all the folks that want a manual could afford a new car. With average new car prices as they are and interest rates being insane right now, those numbers would probably be night and day different if those two pieces were flipped. I know quite a few young guys that have told me "I'd love to learn/own a stick shift if I could afford one."

Listening to this while driving my manual Volkswagen CC

6:15 - My dad made me drink my soda as a 50/50 mix on Sundays too. I had the option of watering down my Coke with whiskey or rum. Good times. I wonder if he ever got that carton of milk and pack of cigarettes he went out for 🤔

2017 Chevrolet SS w/6 speed. Love every opportunity to drive.

Your list in the description needs some cleanup! The Camaro, Challenger, Veloster, and Crosstrek are now all discontinued/no longer offer a manual. Also, the Z4 now offers a manual option, as well as the Lotus Emira.

You should play a trivia game at the beginning of each episoy called "CARnal Knowledge"

There's were some 740i e38 6speed manuals and even e53 3.0i X5 was available as manual...

proud to have one of the 5% of the 11th gen Civics that are manual

That Toyota WRC cheating scandal might be the first time I've known something during the show that Derek didn't. Turbos and cheating naturally go hand in hand lol.

Proud to be in that 74% manual for WRX’s

On car size vs manual-transmission: it's not necessarily that a person who's into manuals to being with will necessarily want an automatic when buying a big car. It's more that people who buy a big luxury car aren't interested in rowing their own gears to begin with. Having the car do everything for you is an attribute of a luxury car, and that's what a typical luxury car buyer is after. And normally, a big car is perceived to be more a status (which is one of attributes of a luxury car) thing, hence it attracts more luxury-oriented people.

The supra manual numbers are absolutely artificially limited by Toyota manufacturing availability

Hyphen is wearing a Ducati shirt and yet doesn’t talk about bikes. That’s a sin Scott.

Kia Forte: you can only get a manual in the GT trim with the 1.6T engine(201hp, 195 torque,) all of the other trims have a naturally aspirated four cylinder that makes about 147hp. I'd be interested to know what the take rate is for just the GT trim; the option there is the superior 6-speed manual or a DCT. I have a 2021 Forte GT 6-speed, I like it a lot. Two percent across all Fortes isn't surprising when you can only get them in the "performance" trim level. I believe they sell around 50k Fortes in the US each year, so that would be about a thousand manuals.